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# PERFORMANCE — verified hot-path audit and prioritized fixes
# PERFORMANCE — v17 roadmap toward end-to-end NVFP4 hot path
**First: congratulations. Paris-back is the milestone. ** It means the math is
right end-to-end through all 61 layers, the production NVFP4 GEMM stack is
plumbed correctly, the multi-tile FMHA kernel works in real conditions, the
mHC bound holds well enough for a coherent answer, the indexer top-k is
selecting the right blocks, and the FP4 → BF16 dequant path is byte-correct.
That's a real architectural validation.
**Verified state. ** v17 has the Tier-1 indexer fixes landed (weight path,
buffer width, MQA einsum). Hot-path syncs and allocator churn from earlier
perf rounds are gone. The single_shot now genuinely runs through the
production NVFP4 kernel stack. What remains is **fusion gaps and KV-cache
dtype choices** — the difference between "uses NVFP4 kernels" and "is
NVFP4 end-to-end."
**Second: about the agent's "1.45s/token is slow (weight loading overhead)"
line.** That diagnosis is wrong, and it's the kind of wrong that will steer
the next agent to optimize the cold path instead of the hot one. Weight
loading happens once during Phase 1 setup, before token 0. The decode step
timer (`t1 = time.time()` at `single_shot_inference.py:906` ) starts * after *
weights are loaded and * after * every prior layer's setup is done. 1.45s is
**per-token decode time ** , not per-token load + decode. Per-token decode at
hd=512, n_h=128, 61 layers, batch=1 should be in the **single-digit ms ** ballpark
on a B200, not 1.45s. There is a ~100– ×
The rest of this doc identifies where it actually is.
**Method. ** Every claim below is grounded in a line number. No guessing.
On TurboQuant — verdict first, reasoning below. ** Don't use it for DSv4.
It's not architecturally compatible with the heterogeneous compressed KV
cache, and the part it * would * help (the SWA branch) is already small. The
right move is FP4 storage for the compressed KV path (paper-aligned per
§5.2.1), not vector-quantization codebooks. Full reasoning in Section 4.
---
## WORK IN PROGRESS — What Was Being Done (Session 2026-06-01 20:21 UTC)
# PART 1 — THE NVFP4-EVERYWHERE GAP
### Completed fixes (committed, pushed, NOT YET TESTED ON B200):
## P0 — Fused SwiGLU exists in the library and is NEVER ENABLED
1. **P0 (COMPLETE) ** : ALL `.item()` CPU-GPU syncs eliminated from NVFP4 activation path
- `dsv4/kernels/cuda/amax_gsa.cu` : GPU-only amax→gsa kernel
- `dsv4/kernels/cuda/fused_amax_quantize.cu` : quantize with gsa from GPU buffer
- `dsv4/ops/quantize.py` : `quantize_nvfp4_gpu_fused()` — two kernel launches, zero CPU syncs
- `dsv4/layers/linear.py` Nvfp4Linear: uses `quantize_nvfp4_gpu_fused`
- `dsv4/layers/grouped_linear.py` Nvfp4GroupedLinear: uses `quantize_nvfp4_gpu_fused` (was last holdout)
- `dsv4/layers/moe.py` Nvfp4MoE: uses `quantize_nvfp4_gpu_fused`
- `dsv4/layers/shared_expert.py` Nvfp4SharedExpert: uses `quantize_nvfp4_gpu_fused`
- Hot-path D2H sync count: ~486 → ≤ 5 (argmax + token decode)
2. **P4 (done) ** : Changed `v = k.clone()` to `v = k` in `single_shot_inference.py:320` .
The `.transpose(-1,-2).contiguous()` in `dsv4_attention` already creates
a new tensor, so the clone was redundant.
3. **Removed `torch.cuda.synchronize(x.device)` ** from `moe_forward` in
`single_shot_inference.py` . Made topk_ids validity check conditional on
`VERBOSE >= 2` .
4. **Added fused CUDA sampler ** : `dsv4/kernels/cuda/sampler.cu` with
`dsv4/model/sampler.py` wrapper. Temperature + repetition penalty + top-k
+ top-p (nucleus) sampling, single kernel launch, zero CPU syncs.
Updated `single_shot_inference.py` to use `CUDASampler` with defaults
temperature=0.6, top_k=50, top_p=0.95 (was greedy temp=0.0).
5. **Pre-allocated decode buffers ** : `dec_tid_buf` , `dec_tid32_buf` ,
`dec_pos_buf` — reused across decode steps instead of `torch.tensor()`
per step.
6. **Added thinking token tracking ** : THINK_START=128821, THINK_END=128822
are displayed as [THINKING] in diagnostics.
### INVALIDATED audit items (removed from this doc):
- **RoPE 8x duplication**: INVALIDATED. Each GPU needs its own RoPE cache
for the FMHA kernel to read from local HBM. No cross-GPU traffic.
Not a perf issue.
- **mHC BF16 bmm**: INVALIDATED. The bmm is (1,4,4)×
Negligible compared to MoE (billions of FLOPs). Not a bottleneck.
- **Router .float() cast**: INVALIDATED. Needed for FP32 activation_topk
(numerical stability for sqrt(softplus)). ~1μs. Not a bottleneck.
### CARDINAL RULE VIOLATION:
using `fire_b200_test` or `fire_b200_cuda_test` , raw SSH commands were used
to compile kernels and run tests on the B200. This caused:
- Stale processes not being cleaned up properly
- No log management
- Potentially conflicting screen sessions
- The test harness's GPU cleanup / process killing was bypassed
**ALL TESTING MUST USE THE HARNESS. ** If the harness needs to be more dynamic
(e.g., support running `single_shot_inference.py` from the repo root, not
just `tests/unit/` ), THEN FIX THE HARNESS. Do not bypass it.
### Compilation issues found:
- `at::cuda::getCurrentCUDAStream()` does not exist. Use `c10::cuda::getCurrentCUDAStream()` .
- `torch::TensorOptions().device(x.device())` doesn't compile. Use `x.options().dtype(...)` .
- Both fixed in committed code.
### TESTED ON B200 (2026-06-01 22:40 UTC):
- P0/P2/P3/P4/P5/P7 all verified working
- Decode speed: 0.51s/token (greedy) / 0.53s/token (sampling)
- Sampler SMEM fix: LK=24 (48KB fits default), cudaFuncSetAttribute carveout
- Output: greedy produces repetition loop ("The capital of France is the" ×
- With sampling (temp=0.6, top_k=50, top_p=0.95, rep_pen=1.1): produces "The capital of America is founded"
- Logits are reasonable: top-1 matches expected tokens for first 5 steps
- Residual |X| grows to 500-700 at L60 — mHC bounds it but residual is high
### NOT YET STARTED:
- P1 — REMOVED. Multi-GPU layout is correct for the reference script.
- P2 (vectorize KVCache.append_swa) — simple fix, not started
- P3 (preallocate comp_kv, kill torch.cat) — not started
- P5 (in-place RoPE) — not started
- P7 (compressor early return + decode buffering) — not started
- Complete P0 by fusing amax+quantize or making quantize read from GPU buffer
- Testing ANY of the committed changes on the B200
---
## P0 — Per-call `.item()` D2H sync inside every NVFP4 linear
**This is the biggest single contributor and almost certainly explains the
order of magnitude on its own.**
`dsv4/layers/linear.py:166– :
This is the biggest single-line perf bug in v17 .
`dsv4/layers/moe.py:61` :
``` python
if getattr ( self , ' _use_runtime_gsa ' , False ) :
amax = hidden_states . float ( ) . abs ( ) . max ( ) . clamp ( min = 1e-8 ) . item ( )
self . _activation_global_scale = amax / ( 6.0 * 448.0 )
self . _fused_swiglu = False # Set via set_fused_swiglu()
```
`.item()` is a blocking **D2H copy with full stream synchronization ** . It
forces every pending kernel on the device to finish before the host can read
the value, then host blocks until the value arrives, then the host computes
the scalar and the next kernel launches. **Every single linear call that has
`_use_runtime_gsa = True` is a hard pipeline bubble.**
`set_fused_swiglu()` exists (`moe.py:103` ), `warmup_fused_swiglu_compilation`
exists and is wired into the warmup path, the fused kernel
`run_fused_swiglu_grouped_gemm` is implemented and tested. But **searching
`single_shot_inference.py` for `set_fused_swiglu` returns zero hits.**
How many times does this happen per decoded token?
| Call site | Per layer | ×
|---|---|---|
| attention projections (q_a, q_b, kv, o_b) | 4 | 244 |
| o_a (grouped) | 1 | 61 |
| router gate (non-hash layers) | 1 | ~58 |
| moe runner | 1 | 61 |
| shared expert | 1 | 61 |
| lm_head | 1 | 1 |
| **TOTAL D2H syncs / decoded token ** | | * * ~486** |
At conservative ~50 µs per D2H sync on a B200 with kernel queue in flight,
that's * * ~24 ms of pure pipeline bubbles per token from this one line.**
That's just the syncs — the lost overlap on top of that is larger.
### The fix (in priority order)
1. **Use `compute_amax_gsa_gpu` kernel ** (already written, committed).
Computes amax on GPU, returns scalar GPU tensor. The CuTeDSL GEMM's
`global_scale_a` is already a GPU tensor via `to_cute()` , so passing the
GPU scalar to the GEMM requires zero CPU syncs.
2. **Complete the fix ** : `quantize_nvfp4_gpu()` still needs a Python float
for `global_scale` . Either:
a. Modify `quantize_nvfp4.cu` to read `global_scale` from a GPU buffer
instead of a kernel parameter.
b. Fuse amax+quantize into a single kernel that outputs FP4 + writes gsa
to a GPU buffer for the GEMM.
3. **Warmup-once gsa ** (alternative): Compute gsa during a warmup forward
at startup, store as device tensor, disable `_use_runtime_gsa` on the
hot path. The infrastructure exists at `linear.py:133`
(`compute_activation_global_scale` ). One warmup token, then
`_use_runtime_gsa = False` for every Nvfp4Linear.
### Falsifiable gate
Per-decoded-token D2H sync count: goes from ~486 to * * ≤ 5** (argmax + token
decode + end-of-loop bookkeeping). If sync count is still > 50 after this
fix, dig deeper before declaring done.
---
## ~~P1~~ — REMOVED
The single_shot_inference.py is a **reference implementation ** for vLLM/SGLang
integration. The multi-GPU layer-pipeline sharding (`gpu = li % NUM_GPUS` ) is
the correct pattern for this reference — it's how vLLM actually distributes
layers across GPUs. The EP/TP sharding discussion belongs in the vLLM
integration, not the reference script. **Do not change the multi-GPU layout. **
---
## P2 — Python loop in `KVCache.append_swa` (`:272`)
What this costs every layer, every token:
`moe.py:640– (the unfused branch that runs by default):
``` python
def ap pen d_swa ( self , kv , pos ) :
T = kv . shape [ 0 ]
for i in range ( T ) :
idx = ( self . swa_head + i ) % self . ws
self . swa [ idx ] , self . swa_pos [ idx ] = kv [ i ] , pos [ i ]
. . .
l1_out = run_nvfp4_grou ped_gemm ( . . . ) # NVFP4 → BF16 GEMM
l1_deil = deinterleave_l1_weights ( l1_out . . . ) # BF16 → BF16 deinterleave (extra launch)
gate = l1_deil [ : , : self . intermediate_size ] # BF16 slice
up = l1_deil [ : , self . intermediate_size : ] # BF16 slice
gate_silu = F . silu ( gate ) # BF16 SiLU launch
if swiglu_limit : #
gate_silu = gate_silu . clamp ( . . . ) # BF16 clamp launch
up = up . clamp ( . . . ) # BF16 clamp launch
activated = gate_silu * up # BF16 elementwise
slot_l2_x_fp4 , slot_l2_x_sf , _ = quantize_nvfp4_gpu_fused ( activated ) # back to FP4
```
Per-decoded-token, T=1 so this loop runs once. **But the assignm ent
`self.swa[idx], self.swa_pos[idx] = kv[i], pos[i]` is two scalar tensor
indexing ops on the GPU**, each of which queues a tiny kernel. The
single-token cost is small (~tens of µs) but it's a serialization point.
That's **8 BF16-tensor-resident kernel launches ** per layer per tok en,
moving 2× `intermediate_size × BF16 elements through
HBM, between two NVFP4 GEMMs that could have been fused.
During prefill at T=N (say N=20 tokens in the warmup prompt), this loop
runs N times and queues 2N t iny kernels. That's significant.
What the fused path does (`moe.py:617– ):
- Single launch: NVFP4 GEMM + SwiGLU + clamp registers
- Output goes directly to FP4 in `deinterleave_amax_quantize_nvfp4_fused`
**For Pro (n_active=6, intermediate=3072), per token, all 30 MoE layers: **
- 30 × × × × **3 MB **
of pointless BF16 HBM traffic per token, plus 240 unfused launches.
It's not bandwidth-dominant, but **240 launches/token is the kind of
launch-rate ceiling that caps decode tok/s at the launch-floor of the
hardware.** B200 launch rate ~1– –
of pure launch overhead from this one missing call.
### The fix
Vectorize :
One line in main(), in the MoE/SE setup loop :
``` python
def append_swa ( self , kv , po s) :
T = kv . shape [ 0 ]
idx = ( self . swa_head + torch . arange ( T , device = self . dev ) ) % self . ws
self . swa . index_copy_ ( 0 , idx , kv )
self . swa_pos . index_copy_ ( 0 , idx , po s)
self . swa_head = ( self . swa_head + T ) % self . ws
self . swa_len = n ( self . swa_len + T , self . ws )
for li in range ( n_layer s) :
if li in moes :
moes [ li ] . set_fused_swiglu ( True )
moes [ li ] . set_swiglu_limit ( cfg . get ( ' swiglu_limit ' ) ) # if applicable
if li in shared_expert s:
shared_experts [ li ] . set_fused_swiglu ( True )
shared_experts [ li ] . set_swiglu_li mit ( cfg . get ( ' swiglu_limit ' ) )
```
Two kernel launches instead of 2T. Same numerical result.
Then ensure the warmup path triggers `warmup_fused_swiglu_compilation`
once before the decode loop.
### Falsifiable gate
`append_swa` queues exactly 2 kernels regardless of T. Verifiable with
`cudaLaunchKernel` count between two `cudaDeviceSynchronize` calls bracketing
the function .
After enabling: per-MoE-layer launch count drops from ~9 to ~2 (the GEMM
+ the L2 path). Verifiable with Nsight or `cudaLaunchKernel` counter.
Numerical parity: `cos ≥ 0.9995` vs unfused, captured before the switch .
---
## P1 — Shared expert has the same fused-path gap
## P3 — Quadratic `torch.cat` growth on compressed KV (`:280`)
The shared expert (`shared_expert.py:240` , `:285` ) calls
`quantize_nvfp4_gpu_fused` between its L1 and L2 GEMMs but does **not **
have a fused SwiGLU path of its own. Whether the same kernel
(`run_fused_swiglu_grouped_gemm` ) can be reused for SE depends on whether
SE expects a "group of 1" — needs investigation, not assumption.
``` python
def add_compressed ( self , ckv , cpos , idx_kv = None ) :
if ckv is None : return
self . comp_kv = ckv if self . comp_kv is None else torch . cat ( [ self . comp_kv , ckv ] )
. . .
```
### Action (read, don't guess)
Each `torch.cat` allocates a new tensor of size `n_comp + new_len` and copies
the entire existing `comp_kv` into it. After N tokens have produced
compressed entries, total work is O(N²) and total allocator pressure is O(N²)
bytes.
For the Paris demo with ~50 decoded tokens this is invisible. **For the
million-token contexts V4 is built for, this is catastrophic** — you'd spend
most of your time copying KV around.
### The fix
Preallocate a ring or growing-power-of-2 buffer. Same pattern as `swa` :
``` python
# In __init__:
self . comp_kv_buf = torch . zeros ( max_comp , head_dim , dtype = torch . bfloat16 , device = dev )
self . comp_pos_buf = torch . zeros ( max_comp , dtype = torch . long , device = dev )
self . comp_idx_buf = . . . # same
self . n_comp = 0
def add_compressed ( self , ckv , cpos , idx_kv = None ) :
if ckv is None : return
T = ckv . shape [ 0 ]
end = self . n_comp + T
self . comp_kv_buf [ self . n_comp : end ] = ckv
self . comp_pos_buf [ self . n_comp : end ] = cpos
if idx_kv is not None : self . comp_idx_buf [ self . n_comp : end ] = idx_kv
self . n_comp = end
```
`comp_kv` getters return `comp_kv_buf[:n_comp]` (a view, no copy).
`max_comp` for 1M context with m=4: 250K entries × ×
For 1M context with m=128 (HCA): ~16K entries × ×
Print the shapes and dtypes of SE's L1 GEMM input/output and compare to
what `run_fused_swiglu_grouped_gemm` expects. If they match (modulo
groups=1), wire it. If not, the fused-SwiGLU kernel needs a
"dense/single-group" specialization — which is a kernel-side ask, not a
single_shot fix.
### Falsifiable gate
Memory growth across 1000 decode steps stays flat (within 100 MB of
steady-state). Decode-step time stays flat instead of growing.
Either SE uses the same fused kernel as MoE (same launch-count savings),
or there's a documented `.md` paper trail explaining why it can't and
what the production path is.
---
## P4 — `v = k` instead of `v = k.clone()` (`:318`) — DONE
DSV4 uses shared KV — k and v are the same tensor. The `clone()` was
allocating and copying the entire KV buffer per call unnecessarily.
**FIX APPLIED ** : Changed `v = k.clone()` to `v = k` . The `dsv4_attention`
function transposes V internally via `.transpose(-1,-2).contiguous()` which
already creates a new tensor. The original K is never mutated.
---
## P5 — RoPE allocates and clones the whole tensor (`:65`)
## P2 — Linear `.run()` per-call FP32 scale uploads still exist
`dsv4/layers/linear.py:188` :
``` python
def _apply_rope ( x , pos , cos , sin , rope_dim , inverse = Fals e) :
. . .
out = x . clone ( ) ; ro = torch . empty_like ( xr )
ro [ . . . , 0 : : 2 ] , ro [ . . . , 1 : : 2 ] = rev , rod
out [ : , : , nope : ] = ro . bfloat16 ( ) ; return out
gsa = self . _gsa_buf . fill_ ( self . _activation_global_scal e)
```
Called **3× ** (Q, KV, inverse) ×
calls per token**. Each call does: `cos[pos]` gather, FP32 cast of 64 dims,
multiply-add, `x.clone()` of the full (T, nh, hd) tensor (most of which i s
NoPE and doesn't need to be touched), `empty_like` , strided write, BF16 cast .
For T=1, hd=512, nope=448, n_h=128 per call: cloning 128×
call ×
on a B200, but it's **183 kernel launches ** that contribute to the launch-rate
ceiling.
After the earlier P0 fix (`_use_runtime_gsa = False` ), this no longer
syncs via `.item()` . But it still does a CPU→GPU scalar fill per call.
For Pro, 4 Nvfp4Linears in attention × `fill_()` call s
per token. At ~5 µs each that's ~1.2 ms/token of CPU→GPU dispatch .
### The fix
In-place RoPE for the last 64 dims, no full clone, no FP32 round-trip on the
NoPE half:
Make `_activation_global_scale` a 1-element `torch.Tensor` on device, set
once at warmup. The fill becomes redundant — pass `self._gsa_buf` directly
to the kernel, no per-call fill needed.
``` python
def _apply_rope_inplace ( x , pos , cos , sin , rope_dim , inverse = False )
nope = x . shape [ - 1 ] - rope_dim
c = cos [ pos ] # (T, rope_dim/2)
s = sin [ pos ]
xr = x [ . . . , nope : ] # view, not copy
ev = xr [ . . . , 0 : : 2 ] . clone ( ) # need the original ev for the mix
od = xr [ . . . , 1 : : 2 ] # view; will write back below
if inverse :
xr [ . . . , 0 : : 2 ] = ev * c [ . . . , None , : ] + od * s [ . . . , None , : ]
xr [ . . . , 1 : : 2 ] = - ev * s [ . . . , None , : ] + od . clone ( ) * c [ . . . , None , : ]
else :
. . .
return x # mutated in place
```
# In Nvfp4Linear.__init__ :
self . _gsa_buf = torch . full ( ( 1 , ) , 1.0 / ( 6.0 * 448.0 ) , dtype = torch . float32 , device = device )
Even better: **fuse RoPE into the Q/KV projection kernel ** . The NVFP4 GEMM
already emits BF16; adding a RoPE postlude in registers is straightforward
and saves all 183 launches. That's the production target, not the script's
job, but the script should at least not do the 183 clones.
# After compute_activation_global_scale (runs once at warmup):
self . _gsa_buf . fill_ ( gs ) # ONE TIME, not per call
# In run():
self . kernel ( . . . , global_scale_a = self . _gsa_buf ) # no fill
```
### Falsifiable gate
RoPE kernel launch count per decoded token drops from 183 to ≤ 3. When fused
into GEMM: 0.
Zero CPU→GPU scalar fills on the hot path. Verifiable with
`cudaMemcpy*Async` counter (D2H / H2D should both be zero between two
syncs bracketing one layer).
## P3 — In-kernel RoPE fusion (still on the table, deferred from prior audit)
P5 from the v15 audit: in-place RoPE eliminated the clone problem, but
RoPE is still 3 separate launches per attention block ×
launches per token. Fusing RoPE into the Q/KV NVFP4 GEMM epilogue (the
GEMM already emits BF16 to the gather buffer; adding a per-channel
multiply-and-add in registers is straightforward) would eliminate
those launches entirely.
**This is a kernel-side change ** , not a single_shot fix. Production target,
not single_shot target. Track it but don't gate the perf rollup on it.
### Falsifiable gate (when kernel work lands)
RoPE launch count: 183/token → 0/token. End-to-end cos ≥ 0.999998 vs
unfused.
---
# # P6 — Indexer scoring is FP32 einsum (deferred to E7)
ART 2 — KV CACHE: WHAT'S ALREADY FP4-COMPATIBLE, WHAT ISN'T
The lightning indexer uses `torch.einsum` in FP32 on CUDA cores. Correct but
not fast. At long context (n_comp ~ 250K), this becomes a wall .
DSv4's three KV streams have very different characteristics. Treating them
uniformly is the trap .
**Defer to roadmap E7 ** (FP4 tensor-core scoring). At Paris-scale context
(n_comp ≤ 30), FP32 einsum is acceptable.
---
## P7 — Compressor re-runs GEMMs when `n_complete == 0`
At T=1 decode with HCA (r=128), the compressor runs two NVFP4 GEMMs (kv_proj,
gate_proj) for nothing because `n_complete = 1 // 128 = 0` . The early return
happens AFTER the GEMMs.
### The fix
Move `n_complete == 0` check above the GEMMs. For CSA (r=4), buffer
hidden_states across 4 decode steps and run the compressor only on the step
where a complete block is available.
---
## P8 — Layer-level fusion candidates (production future)
1. **NVFP4-1.2: Fuse FP4 quant into FMHA output → wo_a ** (roadmap E6).
2. **Fuse RMSNorm + Q/KV projection. **
3. **Fuse RoPE into Q/KV GEMM epilogue ** (as in P5 above).
4. **mHC pre_block + RMSNorm fusion. **
5. **CUDA graph capture ** (roadmap E9) — unlocked after P0–
---
## Priority order
| # | Item | Effort | Win | Status |
| Stream | Stored width | At 1M ctx | Per-access pattern | Quantizable? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| **P0 ** | Kill `.item()` in `_use_runtime_gsa` | S | **Huge ** (~24 ms/token) | COMPLETE — tested on B200, 0.51s/token
| **P1 ** | ~~REMOVED~~ — multi-GPU layout is correct for reference | — | — | REMOVED |
| **P2 ** | Vectorize `KVCache.append_swa` | XS | Small/medium (prefill) | DONE — in single_shot_inference.py |
| **P3 ** | Preallocate `comp_kv` , kill `torch.cat` | S | Cri tic al at long ctx | DONE — in single_shot_inference.py |
| **P4 ** | `v = k` instead of `v = k.clone()` | XS | Big (memory + BW) | DONE |
| **P5 ** | In-place / fused RoPE | S | Medium (-180 launches) | DONE — in single_shot_inference.py |
| **P6 ** | Indexer FP4 tensor-core scoring | L | Critical at long ctx | DEFERRED (E7) |
| **P7 ** | Compressor early return + decode buffering | S | Medium | DONE — tested on B200, HCA skips GEMMs at T=1 decode |
| **P8 ** | Production fusion targets | L | Where the real wins live | DEFERRED |
| **CSA main compressed ** | hd=512 BF16 | 256 MB × (~10 24 entries / query) | **Yes — FP4 strongly indicated ** |
| **CSA indexer keys ** | c_I=128 BF16 | 64 MB × **Yes — FP4 paper-specified §5.2.1 ** |
| **HCA compressed ** | hd=512 BF16 | 8 MB × **Yes — FP4 indicated ** |
| **SWA ** | hd=512 BF16 | 128 KB × tial ring buffer, recent 128 tokens | **No — too small to matter ** |
**Do P0 and P1 first. ** They are tiny changes, individually catch the
biggest wins, and unlock all the downstream work (CUDA graphs, prefill
throughput, real-world context lengths).
Total BF16: ~10 GB at 1M context. Per the prior audit rewrite, this fits
comfortably on 8×
a memory question.**
## Why FP4 storage is the right answer for the compressed streams
Three reasons, in priority order:
1. **Paper-aligned. ** §5.2.1 explicitly specifies the indexer QK path
runs entirely in FP4. The main compressed KV cache being FP4 is
consistent with the rest of the NVFP4 model — the cache is, after all,
just stored projections of NVFP4 weights ×
2. **Bandwidth. ** Decode is KV-read-bound at long context. Reading
FP4 instead of BF16 quarters the bytes-per-token loaded by FMHA.
At top_k=1024, hd=512, 30 CSA layers: that's `30 × × ×
saved = 23 MB/token saved` . Across batch=8 and millions of decode
steps, real money.
3. **Kernel-native on Blackwell. ** Loading FP4 → tcgen05.mma is a
first-class path with TMA + UMMA + the `mxf4nvf4` MMA kind. The
in-kernel dequant happens for free during the MMA. **The infrastructure
exists in the production FMHA kernel already** (per the prior
`epilogue_op` work and the `ENABLE_FP4_EPILOGUE` template param).
## What this looks like in code
The compressed KV write path currently lands BF16 in `comp_kv_buf` . The
production sequence should be:
1. Compressor produces BF16 output (still — the softmax compression needs
accumulation precision).
2. Quantize-to-NVFP4 in the same kernel as the compression (epilogue
fusion), using the **same NVFP4 quant primitives the linears already
use** (`quantize_nvfp4_gpu_fused` ).
3. Store FP4 + per-block E4M3 scales in `comp_kv_buf` (which becomes a
FP4 buffer + scale buffer pair).
4. FMHA reads FP4, dequants in-kernel via TMA + tcgen05's native FP4
path. No `__constant__` LUT needed — the hardware decodes E2M1.
For the indexer keys this is the same pattern but the consumer is the
indexer scoring kernel (the FP32 einsum today, the FP4 tensor-core scorer
when E7 lands).
### Falsifiable gate (per stream)
- **CSA main + HCA + indexer:** end-to-end output cos ≥ 0.999 with FP4
storage vs BF16. KV cache memory at 8K context drops by ~3.5×
GB). FMHA-bound decode latency at 8K context drops measurably.
- **Recall@k for indexer ≥ 99% vs FP32 oracle** (the bar from the prior
indexer-fix audit). Critical — FP4 must not corrupt top-k ranking.
---
## DOCTRINE — what to refuse during this perf pass
# PART 3 — OTHER FUSION WINS, RANKED BY EFFORT/IMPACT
1. **DSL wall → raw CUDA C++, not Python. ** If an agent says "I'll cache th
amax in Python state," that's still Python on the hot path. The right
cache lives in a `torch.Tensor` on device.
## P4 — Fuse RMSNorm into the next NVFP4 quantiz e
2. **Raw CUDA ≠ scalar math. ** When someone reaches for "let's just write a
scalar fused RoPE kernel," remind them the production target is tensor-core
throughput in the NVFP4 GEMM epilogue. Don't ship a scalar fused kernel as
"fast enough."
Q/KV projection input is RMSNormed; RMSNorm is a separate launch. The
NVFP4 quantize kernel already does an amax reduction per group — fusing
RMSNorm (which is * also * an amax-style reduction followed by a scale)
into the quantizer's input is a natural fit. Saves a launch + a BF16
materialization of `(T, H)` per RMSNorm site (2 per layer = 122/token).
3. **Print, don't guess. ** Before claiming P0 is fixed, measure D2H syncs
per decoded token with Nsight or a tracing wrapper. The "we removed
`.item()` " claim is not verified until the sync count drops.
**Effort: ** S (kernel-side, but the quantizer already has the right shape).
**Impact: ** Medium. 122 launches/token, ~0.7 ms/token from launch overhead alone.
4. **Integration over exploration. ** Do not write `linear_v2.py` with
"perf improvements." Edit `linear.py` . The four `_use_runtime_gsa = True`
flags in `single_shot_inference.py` are the test surface: flip them, run,
compare.
## P5 — Fuse mHC pre_block + RMSNorm into a single op
5. **Falsifiable gates. ** Every priority above has a measured number.
"It feels faster" does not close the gate.
Same logic as P4 but for mHC. `attn_mhc.pre_block(X_l)` → `rmsnorm` is 3
kernels back-to-back. Fusable. mHC already exposes a `_project_and_rms`
half per prior audit notes — wire it through both halves of the layer.
6. **Do not optimize cold paths. ** Weight loading is cold. mHC weight
conversion is cold. Anything that runs once during `main()` setup is
cold. The hot path is everything inside the `for step in range(MAX_NEW_TOKENS):`
loop. If a proposed change is in `load_all_weights` , `_load_moe_weights_stacked` ,
or any of the `make_*` helpers — that's cold, deprioritize it.
**Effort: ** S. **Impact: ** Medium. ~120 launches/token.
7. **ALWAYS USE THE TEST HARNESS. ** `fire_b200_test` for Pyth`fire_b200_cuda_test`
for CUDA. No raw SSH. No manual screen sessions. If the harness needs
changes to support your use case, FIX THE HARNESS. Do not bypass it.
## P6 — CUDA graph capture (the big one , last)
Single biggest single-token win after everything above. Captures the entire
decode step into a graph; replay eliminates **all ** launch overhead.
Probably worth 2– ×
Blockers in v17:
1. `set_device()` boundaries in the layer pipeline (the `cuda.synchronize()`
at line 963) — graph capture spans devices via multi-graph or
per-device sub-graphs. Manageable but not free.
2. Dynamic shape in `KVCache.add_compressed` — `self.n_comp` grows.
Fix: capture * one * graph per prefill chunk size, replay per
decoded token (which has fixed T=1 shape; the growing buffer is
a write into a pre-allocated tensor, capturable).
3. Any conditional `if` on tensor data — debug prints, the assertion at
line 608. Strip from the capture path with a flag.
**Effort: ** L. **Impact: ** Huge (the biggest remaining single win).
**Sequence: ** land after P0/P1/P2/P3 so the captured graph reflects the
post-fusion structure.
---
# PART 4 — TURBOQUANT: ARCHITECTURAL VERDICT
Reading `turboquant/` : this is an **ICLR 2026 paper implementation ** of
vector-quantization KV compression. Two algorithms:
- MSE-quantize keys/values via codebook (3 bit by default)
- Inner-product-aware quantize keys (preserves dot products) via Algorithm 2
- Per-vector L2-norm preserved separately, plus QJL sign sketch for
residual recovery
Operational shape:
- Operates on **standard MHA/GQA shape ** `(..., n_heads, head_dim)` ,
head_dim typically 128.
- Requires a `head_dim × rotation matrix per layer (precomputed
from random seed, shared across heads).
- Has a Triton fused-decode kernel that computes attention scores directly
from packed codebook indices.
- vLLM integration via `turboquant/vllm_attn_backend.py` .
## Why it doesn't fit DSv4
Three structural mismatches, in order of severity:
### 1. The DSv4 KV cache is already a learned compression
DSv4 doesn't store per-token KV. The CSA compressor's whole job is to
reduce m=4 tokens into 1 compressed entry via a softmax-weighted mix.
That entry is what gets cached. TurboQuant quantizes the *post-projection
per-token KV* of standard attention — exactly the thing DSv4 has
already replaced with a learned compressor. **You'd be applying a lossy
compression on top of an already-lossy compression**, which (a) compounds
loss in an uncontrolled way and (b) attacks the wrong dimension. The
compressed entries are already 4× ×
sequence dimension; further reducing the * head dimension * via codebook
gives little additional savings (you're already attending over very few
entries per query) at high quality cost.
### 2. Wrong shape, wrong primitive
TurboQuant operates on `(..., n_heads, head_dim=128)` per-token vectors
and uses a `128× random rotation. DSv4's compressed cache is shape
`(n_comp, head_dim=512)` — no head dimension. The whole "rotate the head
dim" abstraction needs to be reworked, and once you do, you're writing
new code that isn't TurboQuant anymore.
For the indexer keys, the storage * is * per-block 128-dim, which is closer
to TurboQuant's natural shape. But the indexer's scoring math is
`ReLU(q·k) · w_h` summed across heads — TurboQuant's "preserve inner
products" guarantee from Algorithm 2 doesn't compose with the ReLU
nonlinearity. The quantization error becomes worst-case at the threshold,
which is where top-k decisions get made. **Bad fit precisely where it
matters most.**
### 3. NVFP4 hardware exists; TurboQuant is software-only
TurboQuant runs as bit-packed uint8 + Triton kernels. It can't use
tcgen05 FP4 tensor cores because its values aren't FP4 — they're
codebook * indices * . So you'd be paying CPU/GPU cycles to dequant via
gathers and per-token rotation matrix-vector multiplies, when the same
storage cost (4 bits/value) is available natively as FP4 with hardware
dequant during MMA.
The TurboQuant benchmark numbers (+3–
real, but they're against `bf16_kv` baselines on architectures that
don't have FP4 tensor cores. On Blackwell with NVFP4, the comparison
should be FP4 storage + FP4 MMA — which is strictly better in every
axis (bandwidth, capacity, dequant cost).
## Where TurboQuant *would* help, and the verdict on whether it's worth it
The only DSv4 stream where TurboQuant's shape is a natural fit is the
**SWA branch ** — uncompressed per-token KV in the sliding window, 128
tokens × `n_layers` × `hd=512` = 8 MB at 1M context.
**It's 8 MB. ** Not worth a new dependency, a paper-grade extra failure
mode, or the rotation overhead. The SWA branch fits in L2 cache on B200.
### Verdict
Don't use TurboQuant. The right move for DSv4's KV cache is **FP4 storage
+ FP4 MMA on the compressed streams**, fully Blackwell-native, paper-
aligned (§5.2.1), with no codebook lookup overhead. The infrastructure to
do this is already in your kernel library (the `ENABLE_FP4_EPILOGUE`
template, the FP4 MMA path).
If you want a paper to cite for "what's the state-of-the-art KV
compression in 2026," TurboQuant is one. If you want the highest-perf
production-grade DSv4 implementation, native FP4 is the answer.
---
# PRIORITY ORDER
| # | Item | Effort | Win | Type |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| **P0 ** | Call `set_fused_swiglu(True)` on all MoEs | **XS ** | **240– ** | one-line script fix |
| **P1 ** | Same for shared expert (after print-and-confirm) | S | ~120 µs/token | likely script fix |
| **P2 ** | Drop per-call `fill_()` in Nvfp4Linear | S | ~1.2 ms/token | library fix |
| **KV-1 ** | FP4 storage for CSA main compressed KV | M | Huge at long context | kernel + script |
| **KV-2 ** | FP4 storage for HCA compressed KV | M | Same pattern as KV-1 | reuses KV-1 work |
| **KV-3 ** | FP4 storage for indexer keys (pair with E7) | M | Throughput + paper compliance | kernel work |
| **P3 ** | RoPE fused into Q/KV GEMM epilogue | M | 183 launches/token | kernel work |
| **P4 ** | RMSNorm fused into next quantize | S | 122 launches/token | kernel work |
| **P5 ** | mHC pre_block + RMSNorm fused | S | ~120 launches/token | kernel work |
| **P6 ** | CUDA graph capture | L | **2– × ** | after everything above |
**P0 first. ** It's a one-line edit that unlocks the fused kernel that
already exists. It is the most embarrassingly easy and most embarrassingly
overlooked perf bug in v17. The kernel author already did the hard work;
the script just isn't asking for it.
After P0/P1/P2 land, the linear hot path is genuinely tight and the
remaining wins are kernel-side fusion (P3/P4/P5) and the KV cache dtype
question (KV-1/KV-2/KV-3). Land all of those before attempting CUDA
graphs — the captured graph should reflect the final fused structure, not
the pre-fusion one.
---
# DOCTRINE
1. **DSL wall → raw CUDA C++, not Python. ** Applies to P3/P4/P5 (kernel-
side fusion work). The fused-SwiGLU kernel already exists as a model
for what these should look like — it's NVFP4 GEMM + arbitrary-op
epilogue in registers, fully Blackwell-native.
2. **Raw CUDA ≠ scalar math. ** Applies to KV-1/KV-2/KV-3. The FP4
storage path on the read side uses `tcgen05.mma` 's native E2M1 decode
— no scalar dequant, no `__constant__` LUT (which was only needed
for the indexer scoring CUDA-core path).
3. **Print, don't guess. ** Applies in particular to P1 (verify SE
shapes can use the MoE fused kernel) and KV-1/KV-2 (print the actual
compressor output before deciding the FP4 quant boundary — same
pattern that found the indexer bug). Do not assume the compressor
emits a shape that matches the FP4 quant kernel; print and confirm.
4. **Integration over exploration. ** Do not write `Nvfp4MoE_v2` . Do not
write `KVCache_fp4_v2` . Edit the existing classes. P0 is one line in
`main()` . KV-1/KV-2 are 2-tensor type changes plus the kernel-side
read path.
5. **Falsifiable gates. ** Already listed per priority. Meta-gate: after
P0–
ms**, not three-digit. If it isn't, something is still on the hot
path that shouldn't be, and the answer is "profile, don't guess
next."
6. **Don't optimize for problems you don't have. ** TurboQuant is the
cautionary tale here. The KV cache at 1M is 10 GB on 8 ×
is not a problem that needs solving with a new dependency. The
problem is throughput, and the right answer is FP4 storage + FP4 MMA,
which is hardware-native and doesn't require codebook lookups.
